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You
were born in Charlottesville. How long did you live in Virginia
before the move to Ohio? Your 5 older siblings were boys? girls? And
how has family impacted who you are? Why you write?
I was born in 1958, and I moved to Ohio when I
married in 1982. I grew up on a farm, and I have 4 sisters and 1
brother. I am the 6th, the 6th child in nine years, and my parents
wanted another boy. I was supposed to be George. If I had been a
boy, my parents would have expected great things. As a girl, I was
ignored. Left alone. That’s why I’m called Nin. It’s from a southern
ditty. Where’s Ninny Paw Paw? Down in the paw paw patch . . .
My parents and the farm hands were always looking for me, and I was
always lost. I liked being lost. I perfected it. I liked to pretend
I was invisible. I suspect a lot of invisible people become writers.
Alone with my thoughts, I would think of odd things to say.
One question I am so often asked is, how can I
write like that, meaning how can I write about sex. Don’t I worry
that my parents will see? My first answer is no. Let’s face it. Few
poets have high visibility. And if that’s ever a problem, then
congratulations. And my second answer is, would you be asking me
that same question if I were male?
I think of few poets who are quite as funny
and diabolical as you are. Poems like Poets on Poets,
Interview, and The Beautiful Lie shoot holes in the literary mystique. They're also
somewhat self-deprecating even though you have a faux confessional
streak. Still, I feel like as long as you're smiling at me your
knife won't hurt.
The world, from where I stand, is diabolical.
The literary world included. It starts at the very beginning. With
those early readers, Dick and Jane. Lately I’ve been working on a
series of pieces on Dick and Jane in Midlife Crisis. I imagine Jane
waking up one day and seeing the world is run by Dicks. Dicks are
everywhere. Here a Dick, there a Dick, every where a Dick-Dick. In
the business world, the literary world, the White House. Even in
heaven there is the God of Dicks. And to think, all her life, Jane
has only been allowed to say oh Dick, oh oh.
I live in the Midwest, and I listen to Christian radio sometimes.
Women talk about how their job is to do what their husbands say
because God designed the world that way. It’s in the Bible. These
women feel sorry for heathen women who don’t know their place in the
world or their Christian duty. I listen and what I hear is: Just say
yes, Jane.
Why Ohio? I can't help thinking that you'd
be huge in NYC or LA?
Ohio. It’s the heartland, what can I say? I
moved when my husband got a job here. But I’d love to live in New
York. Still, things amaze me here. Like those summer afternoons when
folks plant lawn chairs beside the main road and watch the cars pass
by.
I know that The Book of Orgasms was originally
touted as fiction. The new edition is being sold as prose poems.
What do you say? What territory does the prose poem inhabit in
America?
I believe the orgasm is officially fiction,
though men and women tend to disagree. Honestly, I don’t know how
the book is categorized these days. Maybe prose poetry is the
best definition, though I liked the prose poem as a form far better
before it became accepted. I think illicit things are much more
interesting. When a form is not accepted, it has to pass
intense scrutiny, to be somehow transcendent. Once it is accepted,
it becomes humdrum.
You translate Henri Michaux. Why? The
surrealism? The paintings? What draws you in?
A child in a Henri Michaux poem has a magic
bag in which he inserts idiotic grownups and slaps them. A man has a
magic glove that bops annoying people all by itself. Another man
carries a bed in which he can go to bed with anyone he pleases and
whenever. Let’s just say, I relate to him. He is funny,
brilliant and original. Also Michaux was very much an independent
thinker. He lived on the edge of his psyche, trying to see who and
how he was. He was a seeker unlike other seekers . . . Everyone
should read him.
Scenes we'd like to see: A translation
panel featuring you on Michaux, Lydia Davis on Maurice Blanchot,
Linda Coverdale on Emmanuel Carrere, and James Kirkup on Herve
Guibert. What do you think?
I am in love with Henri Michaux, yes. And I
think it would be fun. I edited the book of Michaux translations
called Someone Wants to Steal My Name with the help of a woman who
is fluent in many languages and who wished not to be named or
acknowledged in any way. Without her help I would never have been
able to edit the book. Even with her help, the book was incredibly
difficult for me to put together because I wanted it to be perfect.
Michaux is complex and magical, and my French is not up to snuff.
But I think a lot of great writers are just waiting to be
translated. I wish there were a greater audience for translations.
As the father of a 2-year-old and
4-year-old myself, I wonder how you get anything done with 2 kids of
your own. What's your strategy?
I have two kids in college, one, a daughter at
Princeton, and two, a son in the computer science college at CMU—he
has already published about five times, and I’m nauseatingly proud
of them both. And my kids are very supportive of my work. They have
less inhibitions than I do. We used to trade play-time for
work-time. When they were young, I’d make a deal: you allow me this
much time to write, and I will take you swimming for that much time.
Back and forth, back and forth. But it was always challenging. Now
by habit I rush. A day is never long enough. I miss so many of my
thoughts as them pass by me like strangers on a subway . . . That is
the nature of haste I guess.
Most poets try every job under the sun and
then wind up teaching. Do you ever teach workshops? If not, what's
your secret? What's most important for the care and feeding of Nin
Andrews?
I am an introvert. I have taught conferences,
and although I enjoy teaching, I find it very tiring. I like to be
alone as much as I can. I dream of going into a retreat for a year
or two. If I were to teach, I’d prefer to be a meditation and-or
yoga teacher.
Music? What was the first album/cd you ever
bought?
I grew up on Elvis. Really. But the first
piece of music I ever bought was “Red Rubber Ball,” a 45 by The
Cyrkle. I was in second grade. I and my sisters used to lie on the
floor and color and listen to our 45s. I remember the names of the
songs and some lyrics, not the groups. We listened to a lot of the
familiar oldies: The Doors, The Beatles, The Supremes, Aretha
Franklin, Bob Dylan... At the horse and cow barns I listened to
country music. Patsy Cline. Loretta Lynn. But the best was Elvis.
Please give me brief takes on:
Malcolm De Chazal?
Magical. Flowers, sunshine and brilliance. As
if the world could hold that much light.
Lorine Neidecker?
Not sure. I have seen some of her work, but I
don’t know it. Honestly, what I recall most about her is that she
mentioned paw paws in one of her poems.
Mina Loy? Anais Nin?
Mina Loy, Anais Nin. Women who wrote about sex
. . . in order to break a kind of sound barrier. I think I like the
impulse in both . . . better than their work.
Leonora Carrington?
She’s inspired. A wonder. A cold and peculiar and magical mind. An
independent thinker and a feminist. I love what she says in her
essay, What is a Woman? The idea that ‘Our Masters’ are Right and
must be loved, honored and obeyed is, I think, one of the most
destructive lies that has been instilled into the female psyche.
Max Jacob?
A mystical and comic genius. What attracts me is his sense of the
numinous mixed with the absurd.
Joyce Mansour?
How bold she is, how in-your-face. I’d love to
see her Definitions from the Succinct Lexicon of Eroticism
translated.
Montaigne?
In college I liked his work, but you would have to bribe me to read
him again. I love philosophy once it’s over.
Jean Garrigue?
All I think of—when I think of her- is a cat
peeing in the coal bin.
Remedios Varo?
Another surrealist and yes I admire her work.
I think of her painting, “Lovers,” with two mirrors looking at one
another. Or “Encounter,” with a woman finding herself in a little
box. The paintings are both ghostly and intimate, other-wordly and
almost tender. The women appear very old and childlike. They attract
and repel at once. They remind me of the human state of being, the
wish to be living in a fairy tale, the ever-present capacity for
denial of our actual state. A true visionary, I think she was.
Which do you prefer—pensees or aphorisms?
Pears or peanuts? The moment before bliss or
the moment after. Bliss in a nutshell, on a teaspoon or an index
card? I suppose it depends on the brand of bliss or the moment, or
the moment after the moment after. I suppose I’d pick pensees if I
had to pick. Pensees remind me of Blaise Pascal. And when I think of
Blaise, I think of a blaze, or of a man who saw god, and after that,
his life became but a dim shadowy thing, hardly worth living. To
have even a pensee like that . . . Would it be worth the aftershock?
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